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In Cuccinelli-McAuliffe Governor’s Race, Reaching Virginia’s Sportsman Critical to Vote

By BEAU BEASLEY
For Potomac Local News
October 22, 2013 11:21 am

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Virginia Attorney General and Republican gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli takes aim while hunting in King George County. [Photo: Beau Beasley]

KING GEORGE COUNTY, Va. – Scott Lingamfelter pulls his car into a parking area along a windswept field overlooking the Potomac River in King George County. The Virginia House of Delegates member who represents Prince William and Fauquier counties exits his vehicle clad completely in olive-drab camouflage clothing, looking more like an Army sniper than a state politician ready to work a crowd.

He releases Sonny, his yellow Labrador retriever puppy, who runs circles around Lingamfelter’s legs while the politician tries to fill a bowl with water for his companion. Sonny doesn’t wait for the drink; instead, he bolts to a nearby white tent where a host of other sportsmen have gathered. He stops to greet the hunters and then sticks his nose under the tent. Has he picked up the scent of simmering barbeque?

“Sonny, get back over here!” shouts Limgamfelter.

Sonny quickly returns and obeys Lingamfelter’s command to sit, though it’s clear that Sonny is eager to get underway.

“He’s still pretty young,” says Lingamfelter to his companions, “but like most of us, he responds well to good training.”

This fundraising event is a Saturday morning dove hunt hosted by a local landowner with the support of the Virginia Police Benevolent Association (VPBA), a union representing law enforcement officers from around the state. While the crowd, mostly male, gathers near the barbeque tent and swaps old hunting stories, many hunters take the opportunity to question the local politicians in attendance.

The main attraction will be Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, the Republican candidate in Virginia’s gubernatorial election this November. Before he arrives, however, Congressman Rob Wittman (R, Va.-1), an avid sportsman who serves on the House Committee on Natural Resources, holds the floor.

Attendees pepper Wittman with questions on everything from the stalled Farm Bill to public access to Virginia waterways to the plight of menhaden (a popular saltwater baitfish), and he is clearly eager and well prepared to discuss these issues. His extensive knowledge and understanding, and his search for bipartisan approaches to issues like solving the problems of the Chesapeake Bay and preserving the area’s wetlands, have made Rob Wittman very popular among Virginia sportsmen.

Will Virginia sportsmen decide the election?

Within an hour Attorney General Cuccinelli arrives, and he is immediately surrounded by attendees. Among those gathered are many law enforcement officers from the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries and the Virginia Marine Resources Commission. They are members of the VPBA, which has endorsed Cuccinelli, and they are concerned about the current and future plight of Conservation Police Officers—more commonly called game wardens—who face shrinking budgets and chronic understaffing.

After a hearty lunch of barbeque, coleslaw, and collard greens, Congressman Wittman expresses his regret that he cannot join the hunters, and heads to another scheduled event. Delegate Lingamfelter picks up his shotgun and makes for the field with the rest of the sportsmen, Sonny tagging along behind, tail wagging. The attorney general takes up his position near a large hay bale, shotgun in hand, and waits for his quarry to fly overhead.

Sportsmen—and particularly hunters eager to defend their Second Amendment rights—are an important source of votes, especially in an off-year election. Turnout in a presidential election year may be as high as 73% of registered voters, whereas in an off-year election, those numbers routinely plummet to the low 40s.

Both Cuccinelli and his opponent, Democratic candidate Terry McAuliffe, recognize that the sporting vote could be crucial this year. The problem politicians face is crafting a clear message that appeals to those potential voters without turning away many others.

Outdoor pursuits represent a significant portion of the economy of the Commonwealth. Sportsmen spend money on gear, watercraft, clothing, ammo—and gas, food, and lodging when they travel. In a 2013 report released by the American Sport Fishing Association, the Commonwealth of Virginia ranked 10th overall in angler expenditures in a state-by-state ranking; total expenditures in Virginia reached nearly $1.5 billion.

A 2011 report released by the National Shooting Sports Foundation found that those who went afield to hunt spent nearly $1 billion in the Old Dominion. This directly supported 20,492 jobs and resulted in the collection of nearly $103 million in state taxes and $132 million in federal taxes. These taxes supported conservation work on everything from trout streams to waterfowl habitat.

The hunters are scattered across the field alongside massive hay bales. The shotguns soon sound, and Sonny and his companions retrieve the downed doves. Attorney General Cuccinelli rises from his seat to fire, but misses his first attempt.

“I’ve been hunting or fishing in Virginia for as long as I can remember,” he says.

He laments that he’s not able to fish or hunt as often as he might like: “Besides not getting to see my family every day, one of the hardest parts about being on the campaign trail 24/7 is not being able to be outdoors very often.” Then another flock of doves approaches and Cuccinelli shoulders his shotgun. This time his aim is true.

Candidates face challenges with sportsmen

Both candidates face obstacles to capturing the sporting vote. The attorney general has taken heat for not defending a fly angler who was sued by a riparian landowner for trespassing while fishing on the Jackson River. The angler was following all state laws at the time and fishing in a part of the river that the state had advertised as public property. Cuccinelli’s position—very similar to that of former Attorney General Mary Sue Terry (D) in a similar case in 1996 on the same river—is that he could not defend the angler because the dispute was a civil matter between two private parties. This position drew the ire of several angling groups across the state.

Democratic candidate Terry McAuliffe may also struggle to gain traction among sportsmen at a time when the Democratic Party has embraced gun control legislation across the country. He has attempted to portray Cuccinelli as a staunch conservative out of touch with everyday citizens, while the attorney general points to McAuliffe’s lack of executive experience and has painted McAuliffe as the consummate political insider who moved to Virginia recently for the sole purpose of running for governor.

According to the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, both candidates possess a hunting license. Regrettably, the candidates’ single gubernatorial debate touched only lightly on issues of concern to sportsmen however both claimed to be hunters.

“I’m the only candidate in this race with a record of listening to sportsmen’s concerns and fighting for our Second Amendment rights at every turn,” says Cuccinelli. I’m proud of my A rating from the NRA. My opponent, on the other hand, is the only statewide candidate who received an F rating.”

Calls to the McAuliffe campaign about that candidate’s history on hunting and his position on sportsmen’s issues went unanswered.

Beau Beasley in an investigative conservation writer and the author of Fly Fishing Virginia: A No Nonsense Guide to Top Waters.

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  • Bill Card

    Hey Sportsmen –

    Sometimes what politicians DON’T say screams loudest: “Calls to the McAuliffe campaign about that candidate’s history on hunting and his position on sportsmen’s issues went unanswered.”

    Remember what Terry DOESN’T want to talk about on November 5th.

    Bill

  • Woodbridge Resident

    I think very few voters in Northern Virginia enjoy hunting for their dinner. Events like this are not very endearing to suburban and urban folks in Virginia.

  • SaiBlazer

    Mr. Beasley has provided an entertaining and balanced article that illustrates the importance of sportsmen getting involved in local politics. We cannot expect our legislators to be responsive if we are not engaged.

    As for the candidates, I value my precious Second Amendment rights. Attorney General Cuccinelli supports them. McAuliffe does not. Case closed.

  • SteveS

    “Sportsmen—and particularly hunters eager to defend their Second Amendment rights—are an important source of votes…”

    The 2nd Amendment is not, and has never been about, hunting or sport shooting. It’s about our right to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.

  • PaulP

    What I find interesting is how we all have to walk on eggshells regarding the elephant in the room about the tea party and far right wing candidates like Ken.

    We all know that not all far right wing conservatives are racsit. But we also know that racist are very comfortable in the far right wing.

    As christians how do you guys come to grips with that? really interesting article that just got me thinking below. No its not gospel but it did get me thinking.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/tea-party-racist_n_4158262.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

    If you are not a racist (a assumption) how do you square knowing these people are really comfortable in your party?

  • Bill Card

    PaulP,

    It was tough to keep a straight face when someone cites a left-wing publication like the Huffington Post in an attack on loyal Americans on the right — you see Paul that’s what they do at the HuffPO. I won’t tread on egg shells – let’s talk racism:

    The Party that defended slavery even so far as taking the country to war was the democrat party (1860-65). Check out the party affiliation of the abolitionists (they formed the Republican Party) and then compare that to the party of the secessionists (democrats all).

    The Party of Jim Crow (evil, vicious segregation) was the democrat party.

    The only serving member of Congress that belonged to the KKK was the head recruiter (“Grand Cyclops” – democrats like cool names like that) for West Virginia – Senator Robert Byrd.

    Democrat Harry Truman talked about ending segregation but Republican Dwight Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to force democrat governors to desegregate.

    The original Civil Rights Act was passed by a Republican Congress in 1866 over the veto of then President Johnson who was a democrat. Republican Lincoln had attempted to heal the nation by choosing democrat Johnson as a running mate in 1864 – so much for bi-partisanship.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1866 lead to voting rights for Southern Blacks and the first Black members of Congress (one Senator and six Representatives) Republicans all. Blacks were disenfranchised when Southern States were redeemed, democrats took over once again and Jim Crow reigned.

    A new Civil Rights Act was proposed by Eisenhower in 1956. It was defeated by democrats. Lyndon Johnson (D) tried again but was held up by a democrat lead filibuster. Eighty percent of Republicans lead by Minority Leader and Republican Everett Dirksen voted in favor of the Civil Rights act of 1964 while only 60% of democrats voted in favor. Without Republicans the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would have remained bottled up in the Senate.

    An interesting side note – there were Republicans that voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 but all provided legal arguments having to do the individual freedoms and property rights. The democrats who voted against it were racists and continued to make incredibly racist comments until the day they died like Senator Al Gore Sr.

    You have it exactly wrong Paul.

    Like all Republicans, Ken Cuccinelli believes in equal opportunity for all – we always have. Our Republican Party was built on that principle and we all adhere to it 160 years later.

    • PaulP

      A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

      Lets see.

      Who opposed ending slavery? Who opposed integration? Who opposed allowing blacks to participate in social security? Who opposed the voting rights act? Who opposed legalizing inter racial marriage? Who opposed integrating the military? WHo supported Jim Crow?

      OK.. Wait for it.

      WHITE, MALE, SOUTHERN, CHRISTIAN, CONSERVATIVES

      Do some research. Those same individuals used to be democrats but the parties switched once the northern dems supported civil rights.

      As for the article it is certainly on a very liberal site. However, its very well sourced and speaks truth to power. Run from it all you want. I walked through a tea party even and saw the face of racism my grandfather used to tell me about. I saw go back to Africa signs, I saw Obama in a watermelon patch, I heard the chants and it was not pretty.

      The tea party is full of racist and the few non racist need to ask why they are so comfortable.

    • PaulP

      I would like to add (I forgot)… Thanks for responding and I never called the Tea Party or Ken racist.

      My question was do yo uguys ever ask why racist are so comfortable in your party. Just be honest and not defensive.

      We can have the class about political party (republican/democrat) and ideology (conservative/liberal). As you are aware im sure, one is a political party with people who think alike and the other is who you are as a person.

      I think our schools could do a much better job to explain the political system in America. It is a travesty for people to think President Lincoln was a Republican Conservative. Nothing about him was conservative. He happened to be in a party dominated by Northern protestant whites but he was anything but conservative. Its a educational failure for people to think he was ANYTHING similar to the current day republicans.

  • Bill Card

    Paul,

    As they say – you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. The facts that I cite are from a life of battling leftists like yourself. I have a degree in history and a lifetime of study.

    You are wrong – plain and simple.

    The opposition to slavery came from Southern white males who were also DEMOCRATS.

    DEMOCRATS were in charge of the design and implementation of Jim Crow. The guys who broke up Civil Rights demonstrations with fire hoses and set the dogs on them were DEMOCRATS.

    That is easy to check I suggest you do before making yourself look more foolish than you already have.

    • PaulP

      OMG. Are you telling me that SOUTHENR, WHITE, CONSERVATIVE, MALES opposed slavery?

      You have a history degree? OMG.

      OK, we are done. LOL. Southern, white, Christian males are the ones who defended slavery and did the whole “states right thingy”. And they are the same ones who got made at northern liberals telling them how to treat their “fill in the blank”.

      How on gods earth do you think slave owners, the whites who supported them and the ones who stood in classroom doors were LIBERAL.

      The north looked down on the southern whites and their barbaric treatment of afican americans.

      Where is your degree from? Liberty university? I cannot believe yo ureally think northern liberals supported slavery and jim crow.

      Last time. It was WHITE, SOUTHERN, CHRISTIAN MALES who started the KKK. Yes at the time they were democrats but that is not today.

      Have you ever heard of the whig party? educate yourself… you seem like a nice enough fella.

      ps. Please do not refer to me as a leftie. I am a liberal, veteran, Christian, husband and father.

  • SaiBlazer

    Paul,
    What motivates you to use a good article about sportsmen and the election to get on your little soapbox to throw epithets at the public. Won’t your wife sit still and listen to your racist drivel?

    • PaulP

      So when I put facts down you have to resort to put downs.

      White, States rights, southern, conservative, Christian males. started the KKK, opposed ending slavery, opposed integrations, started Jim Crow, opposed blacks receiving social security opposed the voting rights act… I could go on and on…

      today they are called tea partiers or far right wing nuts….

      50 years ago they were democrats… still the same.

      it amazes me how they call themselves Christian

      go back to mocking the poor, fighting for limited health care coverage, cutting food stamps, cutting pell grants, fighting head start, fighting for tax cuts for the 1 percent, fighting for a cut to workplace regulations, etc….

      fight the good fight… demographics don’t lie and a change is coming;. so fight hard.

      • Bill Card

        Paul,

        You are one angry liberal – of that there is no doubt. There’s so much wrong there I can’t address it all – but let me help you a little. You mentioned States rights several times.

        “States Rights” are not a creature of any political party nor does it have anything to do with race. The rights of States are protected under the Constitution, a document that I recommend you read.

        You will note that about 40% of the volume of the Constitution deals with the very specific responsibilities of the Congress which is the instrument by which “We the People” and the sovereign States would control the national government through the House of Representatives and the Senate respectively.

        The 17th amendment was a significant blow against the rights of States as it turned Senators from being representatives of the State governments into super (6 year) representatives elected by the people under whatever passions were in vogue when they were elected. Clearly that was not the intent of the Founding Fathers.

        It’s interesting to note that the 17th amendment was designed to deal with corruption in – wait for it – Chicago (ironic isn’t it?) and without it, President Obama would be facing more than 60 Republican Senators because we hold sway in more than 30 State governments right now. Unfortunately it could not and did not fix corruption in Chicago, but it did change the trajectory of the Senate for the worse.

        Liberals tend to believe that the President is all-powerful (he is not) but only when a democrat is in the White House. Funny that?

        You also insist on tying Christianity to the evils of liberalism. I have always thought that “Christian Liberal” was the ultimate oxymoron but there are many liberals in the pews and some in the pulpits. Are you by chance an atheist?

        • PaulP

          1. I am a Christian
          2. You do a lot of talking but not once did you answer the question. I will post it again. WHY ARE RACIST SO COMFORTABLE IN THE TEA PARTY? Simple question that you will not even address.
          3. I cannot speak for most liberals as to the president being all powerful. Both Pres. Bush and Pres. Obama have made moves that I feel are a bit of a over reach.
          4. You lump all liberals togeather over and over. Should I do the same and lump all conservatives in the racist bag or would that be ignorant of me? Because that is EXACTLY what you are doing.
          5. I am not angry at all.
          6. States Righs was brought up in the context of it was used to defend slavery, barbaric and terroristic treatment of minorities, segregation, riding on theback of the bus, preventing voting and a host of other things. Yes, states rights has other meanings but to ignore it is very telling.
          7. Finally, Ken (your candidate) is polling at 36 percent in a state that should have any republican polling at least 43 percent. Its because he is radical. Terrible dem opponent but Ken is a fundamentalist and will rightfully be rejected by the mainstream.
          8. Its unfortunate that you say liberals cannot be Christians. Sorry, I care about people. I support equal rights. I pray to a god that ONLY tried to help the less fortunate. Funny how you can say a liberal Christian is a oxymoron. Millions of liberals go to church and worship and you just dismiss it. interesting logic.

          • Bill Card

            Paul,

            1. Good – as am I.

            2. I responded directly to your question in my first post and tangentially in the rest perhaps. Conservatives reject racism in all it’s forms. Racism is a cancer. Generally hardcore racists in my experience associate more with the Nazi Party which is socialist (leftist, liberal, pick). It’s offensive to even consider that racists could find a home in a conservative movement and there is no evidence to suggest that they have.

            You might recall the hysteria over an accusation that the “N-word” was hurled at democrat congressional leaders who march through a TEA Party crowd in order to incite the crowd as they went to vote on Obamacare. That myth is still out there even though the event was filmed by dozens of news organizations and Breitbart offered $100,000 to anyone who could prove that it was said. But it’s now become part of the liberal dogma – the TEA Party is racist – it serves their ideological goals.

            3. We agree – the Presidency has become far too powerful and conservatives reacted to that during the Bush years. The birth of the TEA Party actually dates back to the Bush years and his excesses.

            4. People tend to act like political philosophy is something that you can change like your shirt. Liberals kind of fall into two camps – hardcore (Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Bernie Sanders) and those that are fooled into thinking that something good can be achieved by doing something wrong (Obamacare for example). If you don’t believe in socialism – then you probably aren’t really a classic “liberal.”

            5. Sorry – you sound angry – most real liberals are. They go from rational to irrational in a heartbeat.

            6. States rights was abused in the context you site just as the right to free speech was abused in the case of “Roe vs. Wade” or Obamacare within the context of commerce clause or the government’s power to tax.

            7. Polls are deceptive and the only one that counts is on 5 November. These polling numbers are over sampling democrats for the reason you state. Again – we’ll know soon – but we don’t elect governors by polls or favorability ratings.

            8. I didn’t say liberals can’t be Christians – I just find it hard to square my faith with typical liberal positions. I’ve read the entire Bible and I did it because after six decades of going to church it seemed like the same Bible verses birth the same sermons. Reading the entire Bible gives one the ability to put the most abused passages or concepts into the proper context. For example: God requires that I be charitable – he doesn’t authorize anyone to take what’s mine and give it to someone else – that’s theft. Even if I pay my taxes cheerfully (I don’t) it’s not “charity” for the government to coerce me to give them money to give to others. I donate time and treasure to charities that I determine. That’s just one basic conflict, the big one of course is abortion. There are more.

  • SaiBlazer

    PaulP,
    Your question … “WHY ARE RACIST SO COMFORTABLE IN THE TEA PARTY?” is staggering in its absurdity. Should I ask, “Do you still beat your wife and abuse your children?” or perhaps, “Why are rapists and murderers so comfortable in the Democrat Party?” Do you know how foolish you sound?

    • PaulP

      1. I have never hit a woman and certainly not my wife
      2. Rapist and murderers voting democratic? I have seen no evidence of people convicted of that voting dem. I do not think convicted violent criminals should have voting rights restored.
      3. So I take it you will not answer the question. Many people on the left call the Tea Party racist. I get in arguments with my friends that they are not all racist. But I just thought I could ask the question and get a answer as to why so many racist are comfortable in the party. I tried.

  • SailBlazer

    PaulP,
    Sorry, you just don’t get it do you. Questions like the one you posed concerning the Tea Party and the RHETORICAL questions that I posed back to you are ridiculous in that the questions pre-suppose something that is NOT TRUE. I have been in many gatherings of Tea Party people whose only concern is for fiscal responsibility and the rule of Constitutional law. They are no more racist than you are a wife beater and child abuser.
    Where do you get off indicting millions of responsible citizens of harboring racists?

    • PaulP

      I have also read the bible.

      And my beliefe is if I ask GOD to BLESS AMERICA than my country can help the poor, the uninsured, the less fortunate.

      I don’t understand how someone can ask for god to bless America then turn around and say cut food stamps to the working poor, do not have head start just let every man do for himself.

      Oh and btw, make the government mandate that gays cannot marry.

      I just cannot square the two?

      If we are a Christian nation how one side fights to make sure we do not help the poor and in fact mocks the poor. We see the por everyday.

      Heck, walmart the largest private employer in PWC has most of its employees on government assistance.

      • Bill Card

        Paul,

        You will enjoy this – no cheating now – I read that HufPO piece:

        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/24/kuhner-unfairly-tarring-the-tea-party/

        An excerpt:

        “For Democrats, however, there is an even deeper problem. Contrary to myth, it was the Democrats who were the party of the KKK, slavery and Jim Crow. Until the late 1960s, the Deep South was a bastion of Democratic rule. It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, who supported the Confederacy and secession. In fact, the GOP was formed to prevent the expansion of slavery into the territories. It was Republican President Abraham Lincoln who fought to preserve the union. It was Republicans who freed the slaves. Moreover, racist Democrat-controlled state governments imposed segregation in the Old South. Democrats were the ones who formed and joined the KKK. They were the grand wizards who ordered the lynchings and beatings of blacks. A greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats in Congress voted for the civil rights legislation of the 1960s. In short, liberals are burdened by the ugly legacy of race and white supremacy.”

        Where have you heard that before?

    • PaulP

      I do not have class envy based on my surrounding I am doing very well. But we can easily judge each other if you like.

      Its that superiority complex some of you guys have that drives you to think I envy anything.

      I do not think the government owes me anything but again its the assumption that is deep in you.

      I came to a sportsman article with mostly Ken supporters commenting to ask a simple question that NOT ONE OF YOU can comment on or address.

      WHy are racist so comfortable in the republican party? I did bring up race because I really wanted a answer to a question. I know for a fact not all republicans are racist but I also know MANY are.

      I know you look at “certain” groups as lazy, envious, hand out wanters and all that stuff but I am far to smart to label all republicans one way or the other.

  • Bill Card

    Paul,

    You are on the right track – you just have the wrong actors in place. I believe (as did the Founders) that we have been incredibly blessed by God. Our problems start as we increasingly rely on government.

    Food Stamps is a good topic – the government actually does a horrible job in distribution, screening, and protection against fraud. Further they use the wrong metric to measure success. Rather than being proud of how many are on food stamps the program should be focused on returning people to the dignity of work. There will always be those who can’t work and we should have the means and programs to take care of them. However those programs should operate as close as possible to the people who need them.

    Let me give you an example of a program that works. St. Paul’s Methodist in Occoquan has reached out through a program they call “The Lord’s Table” that serves the poor but especially the local homeless. Other churches in the area support the program with meals and volunteers. The staff at the church have tailored the program to the community that they serve and have gotten to know the chronically homeless or poor. One family has been coming there for years. They are ministered to, fed, and cared for. Doctors and Dentists will donate time to check people out. Some of these people are no doubt off the government’s radar screen.

    You, me, the community, and those poor people would be infinitely better off if more funding flowed through St. Paul’s instead of the Federal Government.

    Unfortunately things like Obamacare are going to produce more working poor. The rules governing when an employer triggers the requirement to provide health insurance is resulting in an alarming increase in the number of people who are going from full-time work to part-time work. Even those in part-time employment are reduced to being under 30 hours to prevent those triggers. Obamacare (pretend good) is destroying the jobs (actual good) of real people.

    So your concern is well founded – the method of delivery is flawed. Get the government out of our business and our pockets and everyone will do better.

    Marriage will have to wait for another time – but suffice to say that the government probably got involved in order to sell licenses. They stayed involved because the best social welfare program for a child is an intact family. Their intention might have been good – but as in all things government they blow it in execution.

    • PaulP

      Dignity of work…. give me a break.

      You want to see people return to the dignity of work and get off food stamps.

      SO we are so many people on food stamps that work? I am all for private charity. Great. I dontate a lot of my time so its a good thing.

      But a government should take care of the less fortunate.

      Walk into walmart. HALF of the people working there make so little they NEED help. ANd I do not care if my tax dollars help them.

      Furthermore, fraud in the food stamp program really bothers a lot of people on the right. OK. I get it. THe outrage.

      However, a little bit of research wil show you that the fraud level for the snap program is MUCH lower than most government programs and well BELOW fraud in government contracting. But for some reason certain people are not bothered by that as much.

      They just want to make sure the person making 22K a year with a kid does NOT get that extra 200 dollars for food over a two month period.

    • Paul P

      How will Obamacare create more working poor?

      • Bill Card

        Paul,

        I’ll give you an example I have direct knowledge of (though the are now examples all over) at a museum. I was a trustee and this was presented to us over six months ago as the impacts of Obamacare became known.

        The museum is staffed by a small core of full-time employees but the bulk of the employees are part-time. Those employees routinely got 36-38 hours of work every week. That is because 40 hours in a week is recognized as “full-time” work. That rule goes back decades – my first job in a grocery store operated the same way. I was usually scheduled for 36 hours to prevent triggering that 40 hour ceiling. That was in 1969.

        The trigger for an employer to provide healthcare to an employee in Obamacare is 30 hours.

        The museum is a non-profit and partially funded by state funds. They had no way to expand healthcare to those part-time employees so the only action they could take was to reduce the number of hours those employees are getting from 36-38 to 28 hours.

        So effectively all of those people are sidelined for 6-8 hours a week – a full day’s pay gone.

        That’s happening all over the country. To avoid the crushing financial burdens of Obamacare new part-time employment is out stripping new full-time employment by 3 to 1. The economic implications of that one thing is huge – we don’t even know yet.

        Thank you Obama – not only have more people been kicked over into abject poverty during his reign, but now people who are working had their earning power significant reduced.

        A part-time worker who was getting 38 hours before Obamacare just took a 27% reduction in earnings.

        That is how in a single stoke of a pen Obama made more working poor.

        We could go into the individual mandate which makes more working poor as well if you like. I would point out that while no one knew exactly how bad Obamacare was going to be back in 2009 – there were plenty of voices warning us – they were right and Obama was wrong. Further Obamacare remains widely unpopular among the American people with a decided majority still favoring repeal four years later.

        This illustrates the huge difference between the left and the right. It isn’t just political philosophy – there has been real and quantifiable damage done to real Virginians.

        • SailBlazer

          PaulP will not understand facts like these. He thinks that there is a sugarplum tree from which government plucks million dollar bills. He does not understand that government has no money, but that which they confiscate from citizens. There are no free lunches. Such is the mindset of the entitlement society. Do they still teach government and economics in school? Our country’s problem is not greed. It’s IGNORANCE!

          Check this out http://www.usdebtclock.org/

        • PaulP

          The sad thing is two major studies just released said there is no link between Obamacare and a surge on new part time work. What there is is a surge of some employers getting press saying the cuts that happen every year are due to OBamacare.

          Keep fighting for ways not to ensure americans. WHile you do that a new majority of Americans are saying “yes we can”.

          Is not about anything free. Its not about being clueless. THe guy you have co-signing everything oy usay with his borderline racist talk is just what I was talking about. No one is loking for free stuff.

          • SailBlazer

            PaulP,
            Do you realize that YOU are the only person here bringing up race? Neither Bill nor I have introduced that term. Your naive assumption the “the government” (which has no money of its own) can provide all of the things that you and others think you are entitled to is infantile. If I had to guess, I’d say you suffer from a big case of class envy.

    • PaulP

      Certain people only want to concentrate on the mass shootings. I understand that and I understand why.

      Those same people want to ignore all the personal sales. In DC most of the guns discovered in shootings are from personal sales in DC and Maryland without background checks.

      I undererstand why suburban so called Christians howl at background checks. It does not effect them. that’s why. the violence in the inner city means nothing to them. I get it.

      Again. I asked a simple question and am unable to get a answer to it. I have enjoyed our back and forth. Your friend SAIL has gotten close to some real disrespectful racial stuff but its to be expected.

      I figured not tea party republican would answer why racist are so comfortable. Its not easy question to answer. My neighbor is pretty conservative and he told me last week he struggles with it all the time.

      but hey act like im making it up. if it makes you feel better so be it.

      • Bill Card

        Paul,

        I focused on the mass shootings because that is the subject of an extremely misleading and false ad in this contest for governor here in Virginia.

        The individual shootings can be reduced with one stroke of the pen in America’s largest cites – if Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, New York City, and Washington, DC had sane and rational gun laws their murder rates would plunge. It works every time. Take those cities out of the calculation for gun crime in America and our murder rate is about what it is in Sweden.

        If you want to avoid getting shot in a mass shooting or in a mugging – the first thing you should do is avoid ever being in a “gun free” zone – they are absolutely deadly.

        No one is howling about background checks – they are the law of the land. We undergo those checks without complaint. I had to undergo a background check when I transferred some guns that I inherited when they were transferred from Washington State to Virginia. It was stupid – but I endured it.

        Repeating the lie doesn’t make it true – I addressed your TEA Party tie to racism charge head on several times now. Just because you don’t recognize the truth doesn’t change that fact.

        • PaulP

          “Take those cities out of the calculation for gun crime in America and our murder rate is about what it is in Sweden.”

          How can you just take out cities of americanss out of the mix?

          That is a very telling comment. Very telling. As if those cities are somehow less american.

          Ok, so you support selling weapons with no background checks. Ok, got it. Just go buy a 9mm in lorton meet a guy on the internet and sell it to him at Springfield mall. No hassle and no fuss.

          You can do it a few times a year and augment your salary.

          • Bill Card

            Paul,

            You are done – you are either being intentionally obtuse or you are just playing with little interest in engaging in a substantive discussion.

            No sane human being can read what I wrote and take from it what you did – goodbye.

      • SailBlazer

        PaulP,
        This will be my last comment on here, as I do not have time to overcome the bizarre manisfestations of your education and mental challenges. You are a lost cause. Bill Card is a much more patient and forbearing man than I. He has tried, with great restraint, to provide you with facts and figures, but your fixation with racism and entitlements make it impossible for you to understand his message. Your inability to understand the inappropriateness of questions that include ridiculous assumptions, indicates your lack of experience and depth.

        Having said that … please point out to me where I have “gotten close to some real disrepectful racial stuff…” Methinks that is inside your head, and I can’t help you with that

  • Bill Card

    Paul,

    I’m going to have to side with SailBlazer – you just don’t get it. Miring people in poverty is destructive of the human spirit and leads to any number of other problems (drug use, crime, generational dependency).

    We used to talk of a safety net – but duplicitous and overlapping government programs have made that a farce. It may be trite to say – but programs to help the poor should act as a trampoline not a hammock.

    If you don’t believe that it is better to work for a living than suckle at the government teat – then we don’t really have anything to talk about.

    A person who is not working is a drain on the economy. Give that person a job and they cease being a net loss to the government and turn into a net gain as that person with a job pays taxes. You multiply that net effect by a million people and that’s huge.

    The government that should help is the government that is closest to the people in need. By housing all of our programs in the Federal government you significantly increase the cost of delivering help. You could eliminate huge components of the Department of Health and Human Services and the money you save would be left to the States to spend as they see fit.

    No one – has to work at WalMart – that is a personal choice.

    The fraud in the Food Stamp program isn’t any less serious than fraud somewhere else regardless of the scope of the fraud.

    Medicare and Medicaid are also swamped in fraud. It doesn’t have to be that way – think of the private sector. My American Express credit card number was compromised recently on a Sunday. I think they detected it because there was an attempt made to use my number in Pennsylvania while simultaneously I was using the card in Richmond (gas and dinner). They shut down my card, contacted me in two separate ways (on Sunday) and had a new card to me on Tuesday. I don’t have a gold plated card – just the regular no fee model.

    I checked – American Express has 54 million cards issued (that’s just slightly more people than are on Food Stamps right now) but they caught that problem with my card, shut it down, and got me a new one. They also know how much I owe, the status of my payments, and charges are recorded almost instantaneously.

    Please tell me how American Express (Master Card, Visa, Discover, etc. etc. etc.) can do that but the government can’t.

    There are other examples – the largest US healthcare provider Unitedhealth Group has 70 million customers (might be less now that Obamacare is destroying the industry). Medicare covers 48 million Americans – would you care to guess which one rejects the most patients? Which one costs the most per person? and which one has the highest fraud level? Ever wonder why that is?

    This isn’t about holding down a poor person – it’s about giving them the freedom and clearing the obstacles so that they can leap up.

    • SailBlazer

      Bill Card,
      You are a wise and very patient man. Michael Savage was right. Liberalism is a mental disease … apparently incurable. Who is raising these people? Who is teaching them?

      • Bill Card

        SailBlazer,

        Thank you – I saw a glimmer of hope. If Paul is a veteran he had good leadership for at least four years of his life. All the services instill a solid work ethic and minimum moral standards. That might have provided a base on which to build – but I could be wrong.

        The left is intoxicating to be sure.

        • PaulP

          “he had good leadership for at least four years of his life”

          That superiority complex you have is starting to peek thru. You can easily brush thru 18 years of upbringing that made me the man I am today. One that believes in personal responsibility but also thinks in the greatest country on earth health care should be a right not a privilege and with wages dropping assistance is not a bad thing.

          For that you put me down? LOL.

          And remember. This convo started simply because I asked why racist are so comfortable in your party.

      • PaulP

        “Who is raising these people?”

        I simply ask why are racist so comfortable in the tea party and this is how you talk.

        I think I have my answer.

  • Don’t drink the tea

    Lingamfelter is a turd and cuccinelli is a bigger turd. SCREW THEM AND I HOPE THEY LOSE!

    • SailBlazer

      Drink the Kool Aide instead. It makes you wise and articulate. See demonstration above.

      • PaulP

        Ken is a fundamentalist and any repub should have 45 percent at a minimum in Virginia. There is a reason he is below 40 percent. Blaming the people of VA is not the answer.

  • Beau Beasley

    Dear Sportsmen,

    I wrote this article hoping to inform readers about their importance in the next election, especially if those readers are sportsmen. With an off year election every vote will count. I tried to cover this issue with the economic facts that sportsmen are a significant economic driver in our state’s economy, though few know it. Sportsmen’s license sales provide nearly 100% of the funding for VDGIF so we should have a say in how the agency is run, and who will supervise that agency. The new Virginia Governor will have an influence on VDGIF and thus our need to vote as sportsmen. I don’t think either political party should be blindly followed, and all politicians should be held accountable for their actions regardless of their political affiliation. Some readers of this article have felt I gave preferential treatment to the Republican candidate when I simply responded to an invitation to attend an event that was related to sportsmen. Had I been invited to a Democratically held similar event related to sportsmen, I would have gladly gone. I regret that the McAuliffe Campaign declined to answer my request for comments or input on the issue, but I did request a response in writing three times.

    • Bill Card

      Beau,

      For what it’s worth – I thought it was a great article. As Ken Cuccinelli is found of saying – “truth is our friend.” A friend of yours forwarded the link to me.

    • PaulP

      Decent article. However, calling the hunters vote critical is very misleading. The “hunters” vote will overwhelmingly go for Ken and you know it. However, he has no chance with most moderates and all democrats and he can completely forget minorities.

      Terry, while a gun owner and a hunter that will ONLY support background checks (a very reasonable approach by mainstream standards) and nothing more knows he will lose the sportsman vote to people who hate gay marriage, cheer getting rid of the minimum wage, cheer cutting food stamps, cheer tax cuts to the rich, cheer regulations being cut for corporations, do not believe health care in the greatest country on earth is a right not a privilege and cheer cutting workplace safety and discrimination regulations and laws and do not want women who make a legal decision to have a abortion to be forced to have a medically unnecessary invasice ultrasound.

      Hey maybe the republican party will succeed with the multiple purges they are trying to do right before the election (that many supervisors do not agree with) and keep the vote total down. good luck.

      Its not about being a sportsman at all!

      Just be honest with yourself.

      ps. I am a flaming liberal and fully support the second amendment. I only want 100 percent background checks….. oh…. how socialist of me.

      • Bill Card

        Paul,

        This “universal background checks” is very misleading and McAuliffe knows it if he is indeed a gun owner. It goes hand-in-hand with the fictitious “gun show loop hole.” Both the subject of another recent commercial that McAuliffe is running.

        Have you been to a gun show? The over whelming number of guns sold at a gun show are sold by licensed firearms dealers. ALL of those transactions run through a background check. Gun shows aren’t rouge people selling guns but rather an assortment of gun dealers under one roof who sell guns under the exact same conditions that they are sold in a regular store. Try it – you will see.

        Liberals inflate the volume gun show purchases with sales of things other than guns by people who aren’t gun dealers. For example I could set up a table and sell holsters and gun cleaning equipment without a fire arms dealer’s license.

        What the “loop hole” refers to is the sale of a firearm from a private person to a private person. In my experience that has almost always been done with collectors items (old guns, heirlooms) but they are potentially dangerous to be sure.

        So what they want to get in the middle of is me as a gun owner disposing of my personal property to another private individual.

        If McAuliffe doesn’t know that then he is too stupid to be governor and if he does know it and he allows those commercials to run he’s too dishonest to be governor. Take your pick.

        We already have “universal background checks” for guns sold by dealers in Virginia. It’s in place and it’s the law of the land.

        The flashing pictures of mentally ill people who have committed crimes with guns are misleading as they either legally purchased them (though they might have lied on an application) or they were in their home legally. So democrats are doing what they always do in proposing a “solution” to a problem that they don’t understand and thus won’t effect the outcome.

        Ken Cuccinelli’s focus on assistance to the mentally ill (a passion of his for more than a decade that predates his entry into politics) would be the only effective remedy for the shootings that have occurred.

        • PaulP

          There is a reason KEN is so far down in the polls. And take it from a life long liberal it is NOT because Terry is a strong candidate!

          Your basic long drawn out comment is “we cannot stop ALL so we should not stop any” .

          Furthermore, I am tired of people buying 2 9mm’s and selling them in the mall to a guy he met on the internet and then the weapon ends up in a murder in DC.

          Something is wrong about that.

          Again, work on the supderiority thing. You and the other guy that keep commenting have it bad. I do not even think you realize you talk about entire groups of people (millions – if not the majority) as if they are less than human, smart, not patriotic, group thinking entity.

          Your comment:

          “Liberals inflate the volume gun show purchases with sales of thing”

          I know a number of liberals that are CCW and a whole lot more like myself that own.

          • Bill Card

            Paul,

            I think that I see part of the problem – you can’t actually orient on the issue. Rather you revert to a typical line of liberal attack even though it doesn’t fit into the context of the discussion.

            Try a simple experiment – go to a gun show and try to buy a gun without a background check.

            My “ALL” comment relates to the fact that to buy a gun at a gun show you need to submit to a background check.

            Universal background checks won’t solve any of the crimes that liberals a caterwauling about – and it won’t stop your 9mm example. It only hassles people who care about the law.

            If you want to stop gun violence like Aurora, CO; Newtown, CT; and Blacksburg, VA you have to work on expanding the attention to mental health. All those guns were obtained legally through existing background checks. Conversely – all of those shooters sent off plain signals to everyone they encountered that they were dangerous.

            Your other arguments about “superiority” are silly and boring. Focus on the issues.

  • Beau Beasley

    I also forgot to mention I’ve been accused of being a “liberal” journalist and a “conservative” journalist by folks that read this exact article which you have commented on recently. Unlike some writers, I believe readers should be given both sides of a story and thus allowing them to make up their own minds. Generally speaking when you are accused of taking sides by “both sides” it’s a good sign. I have earned a reputation as being a good researcher, and being impartial and I plan on continuing with that model. Also writers who never take any “flak” for what they write, are probably no where near their target. Thanks for reading my piece on Potomac Local. For more information on pressing sportsmen’s issues, especially Crown Grant or King’s Grant ownership you can go to http://www.beaubeasley.com